Cyber-176 sounds OK to me; you used it far more than I did! A DEC hardware designer (I forget her name) in Littleton, MA (where they did the Nautilus; the large VAXen after the Venus, which was done by the old Large Computer Group in Marlborough) once said "A computer isn't worth working on unless it's large enough to kill you if it falls over on you." :-) - Aron